The Clean Body Podcast

Probiotics & Gut Health: Everything You Need to Know

• Lauren Kelly • Season 1 • Episode 16

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Today on The Clean Body Podcast, host Lauren Kelly talks to the co-founder of Jetson Probiotics Stefan Weitz about healing your gut to heal your chronic conditions or disease. After managing his own multiple sclerosis diagnosis with diet, lifestyle, and movement techniques, Stefan shares his journey to wellbeing and the role that the gut plays. During the episode, you'll learn:

  • What leaky gut is
  • Signs and symptoms of poor gut health
  • How gut health impacts skin health, mental health, immune health, and physical health (including acne, eczema, cirrhosis, depression, anxiety, insomnia, fatigue, irritable bowel syndrome, inflammation, and more)
  • How sleep and hydration impact gut health
  • What a "good" microbiome looks like
  • How gut bacteria functions and empowers wellbeing
  • Foods that impact or benefit gut health
  • What prebiotics, probiotics, and postbiotics are
  • Myths and misconceptions about probiotics
  • How to choose quality probiotics
  • How to understand probiotic labels

About Stefan Weitz:
Stefan Weitz is on a mission to make Americans healthy again. His first step? Founding Jetson, a new company helping people lead a healthier life through high-quality, affordable, scientifically backed, and seasonally formulated probiotic products. 

The journey that led Stefan to founding a health company began one morning in 2005, when he woke up with a numb leg—so numb in fact he was able to jam a fork into it without any pain.  He hoped he was morphing into a superhero; instead, he was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis. Stefan was immediately subjected to a heavy regimen of drugs and pain pills.  Knowing there had to be a better way to live, he conducted an exhaustive search to uncover the most effective ways to overcome the health challenges that faced him.  Eventually, he was able to ditch some of his big-pharma products and wanted to share what he’d learned about the honest solutions and simple habits that can improve anyone’s health.

About Jetson Probiotics:
Jetson is a new probiotic company enabling Americans to lead a healthier life through honest, high-quality, affordable, and scientifically proven-to-be-effective probiotic products tailored to the human body’s specific needs each season of the year.

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You said you have to have it in Tropic. You have to have some kind of cool pill or some new diet. Where are you going to go all Akido or we're going to go whole 30 minute. Those are all fine things. Right. But necessary. In most cases, that's, what's, that's the thing I want to everyone to understand is like, this is not some, some kind of dark art, right? This is not some which doctoring stuff. This is just very simple. Conclusively studied highly efficacious science that anyone can practice in their daily lives and just stop over thinking. That's just so simple. Why don't you just kind of get out of your own. The clean body podcast. I'm Lauren Kelly, a certified nutrition therapist, and soon to be specialized holistic cancer coach with a certification in cancer biology from UC Berkeley. I am so grateful that you're here. This podcast introduces you to the souls and brains behind some of the cleanest food beverage and lifestyle products on the market. Because what you put on in and around your body matters from cookies, bread, and mushroom superfoods to adaptogenic lozenges, clean medicines, organic mattresses, and fluoride-free toothpaste. We'll explore how the brands came to be how scientific studies drove decisions about ingredients and materials. And most importantly, how the products support all the physical and mental microscopic miracles that occur in your body every minute of every day. Thank you for being here. Let's get this started. Welcome back to the claim body podcast. I'm your host. Lauren Kelly probiotics are confusing, right? Like, do they do anything? Which ones are actually beneficial versus which are you just wasting your money on? I'm a holistic nutritionist. And even I have a hard time going to the store and figuring out which probiotics I should buy sometimes. So today I am talking with Stephan Weitz from Jetson. Jetson creates a line of probiotics, but he is not just trying to sell his probiotics. During this episode, actually Stephan's journey started with a diagnosis of multiple sclerosis, which attacks the tissues in your body and is a life long disease. After years of trying to get treatment, to manage his conditions and taking a variety of big pharma medications. He went on his own wellness journey to heal his gut because gut health is so rooted in overall well-being as well as managing symptoms of chronic conditions and diseases. So today, during this episode, we dig into gut health. It's seriously like a crash course and everything you want to know about gut health. We probably spend 40 minutes just diving deep into every question you could have about leaky gut. What a good microbiome actually looks like. What signs and symptoms are of a poor gut, how gut health impacts skin in terms of acne, eczema, psoriasis, IBS, mental health, immune function, weight management, and allergies. And we talk about poop because, you know, poop and gut health go hand in hand and we start defining what prebiotics probiotics postbiotics are and how you can see through the that is often found in the probiotic and supplement industry. It's super informative. I am really excited to release this episode. I was geeking out over it as soon as I finished filming it. So if you like this episode, please rate, review, subscribe, share it with a friend. And I really appreciate you being here as always. So to continue our month long theme of gut health, let's jump into it. Welcome to the podcast. How are you doing? I am, it's a Friday, which, who knows when this is going to air, but today it's a Friday. So, uh, which all that means is I have fewer meetings tomorrow, but other than that, I'm great. Yeah. Saturdays, you need a day of rest and relaxation. I'm sure. Crazy times. Yeah. Um, before we hop into all things, probiotics and gut health, which gut health is one of my favorite topics, I would love to have you share your story. I did receive some of your story via email from your team. And it's one that's really rooted in a very firsthand experience with establishing health and realizing what optimal health really means. So I'd love to just hear it in your own words. Sure. Yeah. About, uh, gosh now 15 ish years ago, I was in Hawaii with my, my now ex-wife, uh, and we were hanging out and I woke up and I got out of bed and I put my foot on the ground and realize my entire leg was numb. And I'm like, huh, my first thought, of course, I couldn't feel any pain. I can take a fork and literally jab my leg with a fork and nothing. I had no pain. And my first thought of course, was I'm becoming a superhero. I was pretty excited about that and then thought differently about it and thought, I'd probably say nice what's happening. So I called my buddy, my buddy at mass general and said, Hey, this is what's happening. He goes, get in the plane. Now come back to Seattle. Uh, here's some docs to go see. So I did and pretty quickly established that I had Ms. Which is a bummer, but you know, life, life goes on. Uh, so great doctors in Seattle, probably the best in the nation for this particular disease and gotten me on really great drugs right out of the gate, super aggressive, hit it hard. All great challenge was I had side effects for, you know, seven years after that, just constant feeling like you had the flu and, uh, a real bummer. And so I was traveling all over the world from my, for work. And so I was on plane all the time. And long story short, I was not getting worse, which was a blessing, but also felt like hell, which was the downside of that particular treatment modality. And somehow I was giving a speech at some conference back in, I think it was in Nantucket or I don't know where it was, but mark Hyman was on the stage right before me. Who's a pretty famous functional medicine doctor. And, uh, and I talked, we were chatting later at dinner or something. And I said, yeah, I've got this disease and yada, yada yada. And he goes, oh, I can fix that. And I said, well, I'm not sure you can, but I'll come talk to you. So I flew up to his, his clinics clinic at Lenox, Massachusetts, and spend a couple of days with him and his whole team, really getting tests run and you know, a couple of hundred different tests. And they looked for heavy metals. They looked at for failing to look for microbiome, being out of alignment, blood work, urine work, poop, work, you name it, it's all done on me. And after that, he sat down all the results and said, look, this is the thing. There's a bunch of things that you should, you should change. And obviously look at your household products, look at your personal care products, look at your cleaning products. Those things that were not great, get them out of your life. I want you to cut out gluten. I want you to cut out dairy cause they sell some sensitivities with my body. For those things cut out, caffeine, cut out alcohol. That didn't last very long. Uh, and, uh, uh, I think, come on, let's be serious. I can't give up all my biases, uh, and, and really all those things. And then I said, look, one of the key challenges we're seeing is, is your microbiome is and complete dysbiosis. It's just out of whack, even though it was, I was a healthy eater. I exercise, I did all the right things. I just didn't have the right composition of micro micro organisms sitting in my gut. And so that was the hard part and it was getting at that thing. Right. But we did it. And within a few weeks it was, it was literally, uh, uh, it was literally gone. And my, my pain was gone. I went from taking this spills of painkillers every three weeks, which is remarkable transformation from anybody's perspective. And that was now almost eight years ago, over eight years ago. Now, I guess, and since then, I've the disease itself has stopped no progression at all the Mylan's healing. So all these great things. So it really spoke to the power in which we, we I've always kind of known implicitly, but it spoke to the power of looking at the, the gut as the control center, really for the whole body and really understanding systems biology and Dr. Lee hood here in Seattle. Who's so, so smart in that area, understanding your body is not a bunch of discrete systems. And just how medicine is often top, you know, the cardiologist it'd be urologist. You have all the dieters, all these things are taught in specialties. And the reality is our bodies are a highly tuned, highly interdisciplinary, highly cross-functional system. That if, if, if one piece is out of whack, it will affect things that you wouldn't normally think could be effective. And that's, that was my case with, with the gut and the overall disease state that I had. So that's, that's my story. Well, it's a powerful story. And one that I know personally, many people who will resonate with because they're also currently dealing with Ms. And it's funny that your, you know, it started with an Ms diagnosis, but it really started with Dr. Mark Hyman because I got started on this, or I guess the time that I decided I was going to start getting an education for holistic nutrition was listening to a podcast between Dr. Mark Hyman and Dr. Terry Walls, who also had Ms. And the story. Way more impressive than mine.[inaudible] you actually, she's remarkable her, her walls protocol. I've now given to a bunch of folks who have, uh, who have a much more aggressive versus the disease than I I have. And it is, it is it's really remarkable, uh, what they could accomplish with those, with that protocol. I have to ask. So when Dr. Mark Hyman asked you to rid your life of certain household and hygiene products that were creating, um, you know, unfavorable reactions in your body, what was your, your reaction? Because I have found that when I suggest that to friends or clients, that this could be a manifestation of toxins and chemicals that are in your home and getting into, into your body and impacting your hormonal balance, your gut health sometimes. Crazy. Yeah. Which is so funny. I mean, think about this. The largest organ we have is the thing that covers all of our guts, our skin, right. And it's so highly absorptive and look granted, it's a great barrier, but it's also very absorptive in many, many ways. And so I'm not sure why it's so complex, uh, or why it's so controversial to things like parabens are just universally. They're just bad. And there's unnecessary. That's, that's, that's what I was with me. Like I'm a science guy. I have backgrounds in science and I've always been into science. And so I, I read the research, I read all the pub med reports every single week I dig into this stuff extraordinarily deeply, but that was just an obvious one. Like it was just such a cut it out. And it wasn't like, it was a big sacrifice, frankly, a lot of the products that once you get into better products, you realize that no, these worked just as well, they actually smell better. Um, they're there, you don't have that cloying gross smell of, of Windex across the house or whatever the heck it was back in the day. So yeah, people who rolled their eyes, I mean, look, we've been trained by media, by advertising, by our parents, by society to, to, to equate certain smells and certain colors and certain, uh, types of materials with being clean or being fresh. And, and we, part of, it's just kind of unlearning all that learned behavior. And also, again, just really getting into the science and looking at the like endocrine disruption that a lot of these chemicals can have on people's bodies. That's just a very well-established thing. And the same way that we no longer, uh, you know, doctors don't recommend smoking anymore for relaxation or those sorts of things. Eventually the modern kind of modern, uh, storytelling will catch up with, with the reality. And we're already seeing so many more clean products being put out there right now. And, and it's, it's unfortunate that there is this, this kind of cause that's suppose to be true. Let's be honest back in like the eighties, nineties cleaning products did suck. Like they're not, they were not very good products. They were definitely functionally inferior to two products that were developed in the lab. I'm an investor in a company called dirty labs, which is an amazing company. They built an enzymatic, a laundry detergent. It's just spectacular. It's completely clean, it's free, anything you would possibly care about. And it's a whole different way of cleaning. Uh, but in w and I've, again, I've seen a lot of these things before the natural, you know, laundry detergents, and most of them just don't work. And they actually went scientifically side-by-side against tide and the big ones out there and did the exact same stains and everything else. And it was actually more effective and almost like nine out of 10 cases, more effective than tide at cleaning sites. It's like science is progressing. This is all getting better. So I wish folks would just would kind of evolve with science versus assume that bright blue equals clean. We're very emotionally connected to our dollar store, cleaning supplies. You, you brought up the, the look of it and the smell of it. And I have to say artificial fragrances, all my listeners are probably exhausted of hearing me say this, because they're one of my biggest pet peeves. Like I hate artificial fragrance. And once you start learning about them and you dig into the research, you will never be able to handle an artificial fragrance again, like it will give you a headache because you know what it's doing to your body and it's such crap. And so, yeah, that smell that we've been conditioned to think is clean. Well, it's honestly, we're inhaling it through our lungs and it's just destroying our body. And I can't believe it's not banned in the United States yet. It will not be for a long time, but we have to simply make the markets actually reject it. That's the best way of government banning. It's not going to work. People have to just reject it as a product and that will drive change. Yup. Vote with your wallet. Okay. So such a tangent, but such a great tangent that we just sat on. Uh, so during your experience with modern medicine and Ms. You know, so often a lot of the medications that were given and protocols were told to follow are really masking the symptom, not finding the root cause and healing the root cause. So what are some things that you learned about big pharma and modern medicine, which is still needed in our world today? I'm not saying get rid of modern medicine. There's a time and a place, but what are some things that you learned firsthand throughout? Well, I think the most, uh, striking piece, I'm sure a lot of your listeners will wonder, boy, I have heard this or agree with this is that many, many, many cases, modern medicine doesn't know why things work the way they work. You saw a lot of the disease, not disease modifying drugs, Ms. For example, the method of action is actually quite unclear that you don't know why these things work. And so, I mean, again, look at the studies and you read the research reports and these things, you can see what they're doing. Like in the case of a, they're actually wiping out a lot of your white blood cells, which are your, you know, the ones that go attack. And Baders because your, your immune system is overactive and it's attacking the myelin sheath around the nerves. Uh, and that's, what's actually causing the degradation of, of one's life. So, so that's, that's the, that's what I must does. And so th the kind of responses is sledgehammer of let's just kill the white blood cells. Let's just knock them out and make them less aggressive. It's, you know, it makes sense. Uh, but, but that's, that's kind of, as far as it gets, like the, kind of, why the white blood cells attacking, why is the immune system in a weird state? Why is it hypervigilant? That's the, why is don't get answered? So the modern medicine is, again, I would never, uh, look back on my time and say, I'm sorry that I did what I did, because it, it literally the first seven years when I was taking extremely aggressive drugs, it absolutely stopped the disease from progressing. They had a lot of negative side effects where it stopped the disease from progressing. So that's unquestionably a good thing, but it is striking just how little doctors know. And I have the best doctors, probably in the world looking at me and just striking how little we, as a, as a communal, uh, body of, of people know about how the drugs do, what they do. They just can look at the correlation and say, well, you know, in a clinical study, 10,000 bucks took it. It doesn't folks got better, I guess it works, you know, um, that, that was kind of the most people think of medicine and drugs as snakes, so specific and scientific. And that's just not the reality in most cases. So what were some things then that you learned about the intersection between your environmental factors in your lifestyle and the onset of chronic conditions, whether through first experience or just, you know, you are deeply knowledgeable and you've done your research, so scientific studies that you've been exposed to through the years? Well, I mean, I think that the first thing to remember and just to recognize is, uh, again, that systems biology mindset, like really understanding that, gosh, if I, if my body has some sensitivity towards particular products, whether it's a dairy or whether it's everyone knows looking at gluten, as we all know the reality that gluten is not actually a massive thing for the majority of people, but as far as like a chronic condition, but it can cause sensitivity and there are sensitivities for gluten and people. And so what we really learned is that for me, at least, is like looking at that inflammatory state of the body. And again, this is like whole body inflammation is one of those things where a lot of folks talk about it. The science is not super clear on this, but we have a pretty good idea of what's going on, especially as it relates to the gut lining and gut health and that layer of cells that really cover the inside of the gut, um, when that compromised and you were getting things that are meant to me contained in this, in this gut right here, then your, your stomach, frankly, which is a cyst, a soup of toxic crap, like, you know, turn you're eating, of course, uh, that is, that is designed to hold things and keep them from getting outside of your gut and that your stomach into the broader organs of your body. And when that winding is compromised, which is really like a two cell thick lining when it's compromised, the, the, the, the fact is things are escaping into your blood stream, what shouldn't be there. So there's a real reason why the immune system is on hyper alert, because it's like, this is not right, something's wrong. And when you have that kind of chronic March of these, of these guys and gals running across your body to counteract that, uh, that's what, that's, what causes this. That's partially what can cause this thing is there's that kind of hypervigilance that that's exacerbated by your gut, not being in shape and also by products that you're using that simply aren't, uh, aren't what they should be. And so that's when you start to realize, gosh, for me, at least the recognition that getting back to much, no, not, not basics basis is the wrong word, but being much more vigilant about what you surround yourself with what you put in your body, what you put on your body. Uh, it's just, it's so common sensical, like our bodies are evolving at a fairly slow rate. Like evolution is a slow process. And if you look at a hundred years ago, a lot of the chemicals that we use in food production or household production, they didn't exist. And, or our bodies eventually gonna be able to metabolize these things and do something with them, maybe, but it's not going to be for tens of thousands of years that that's why evolution works. So to think that, and by then. We might just all be by then. We might just all be in fertile since that's the direction. Or, or, or living in a simulation right now, that's probably a realistic scenario. Uh, so that's, that's what kinda got me mostly, but it's just like looking at the fact that science in almost every sense of, of, of, or in every, every part of our lives has raised so far ahead of biology and will continue to do so, just because of the way evolutionary biology works, that we have to be more careful about what we do with them within to ourselves. And that's really kind of what got me, um, that was the kind of the aha for me, it was, it's not our fault per se, but we can do something about it. Yeah. So this is a great transition to talk about gut health then, which like I said, is one of my favorite topics. And there's so many. I know and poop. I love talking about problems talking about it, but, um, there's just so many layers, everything you just said, because you know, gluten people often don't realize that there's, you're eating a piece of bread. There's so much other stuff in that piece of bread that you're eating. Also the wheat that we are growing, consuming conventionally is completely different than it was a hundred years ago. And it has, I want to say like seven times more gluten, or maybe more than that, then the original, you know, wheat crop that we were growing. And then there's also, when we consume gluten, we have an uptick in a protein called zonulin, which that's what really breaks our gut, our gut apart. So for people who are just starting to enter this realm and they don't completely understand gut health yet, what is the most approachable way or the most important things you think people need to know about gut health? Well, first of all, that's a great question. The most important things people need to know if they're not, I guess the first thing is not one size fits all, but there are a few things that you can do that are kind of universally universally. Great. So, um, the first thing is people are, are under hydrated in this country, almost universally. So if you think about the amount of water you're drinking, not sodas, which of course are this, the devil incarnate, not diet soda is even worse than actual. I mean, like if you're drinking a soda, at least drinking Mexican Coke, because it uses real sugar, you're better off doing that. The great new U us Coke, uh, but don't drink Coke periods. It's terrible for you. But basically water is one of those things that we used to not drink enough of in this country and water is, is truly the thing that, that can't help to balance the gut and balance, frankly, your overall systems, because you can, you can flush toxins out that way. If you're not drinking enough water, there's nothing to flush it out. And so you really need to be drinking that so incredibly, so incredibly aggressively. I mean, I, I go through probably, probably two more to actually, but you know, at least a gallon, a day of water, I'll just during the day, it's just have a clear, you know, uh, glass bottles here. I have a filter over there and I can just sit here all day and just chug it. And I don't think about it's just natural. So that's, that's a big one that really helps the gut being a check. Second thing is just focusing on those, those dark leafy greens that allow you to allow your body to Gregg, grab the great phytonutrients that you need. All the great vitamins that you can't get enough of through supplements, or you can, but they aren't as bioavailable, like really focusing on those kind of dark leafy greens. We just do not eat enough of those things in this country as a matter of practice. And along with that comes, that need for fiber. And I know people, you see Metamucil ads, if you're older or your parents, maybe your grandparents then have to think of that abuse and the cupboard like that's just so utterly unnecessary. And again, not overly good for you to one type of fiber designed for one thing, what you need fiber for is to feed the good bacteria in your gut. That's so important to create those short, short chain, fatty acids, all the things that actually are so critical to ongoing health and most folks just don't get enough. We need 25 to 30 grams of fiber a day. Most Americans get less than seven. So it's one of those things where you have to be thoughtful about it. But even this thing here, this is a, this is a great, this is a plumping of the Vega, which I love. It's a great little product actually. Um, but this is this one little bottle, which is 170 calories, uh, very low seven grams of sugar. So, which is a nice, it's a low kind of low sugar threshold as well, but grams of fiber in one, one drink and 20 grams of protein, a really highly efficacious way. If you're in a rush, like I was a sporting to get to kind of do, do a fiber bomb, protein mom, uh, five nutrient bomb, all one thing, but that's just important. And then let the less obvious things is what's the gut health, our sleep, sleep, and exercise are two things that people just don't again, take seriously. Now people would rather watch a game of Thrones marathon, then go to bed at a reasonable hour and look, I get it driving. I have to, I. Love binge-watching. I it's hard. It's hard. You gotta do it. I mean, you, people underestimate, even, even the people underestimates. This is what's crazy. If you are, if you are moderately dehydrated, you can have like a 12 to 15% reduction in executive functioning mentally. Like you can literally become dumber in within a day because you're dehydrated. That's crazy, right? What, what people spend thousands of dollars on supplements, nootropics and all these crazy brain hacks to kind of gain that function. The reality is if you just drink more of this, you'll likely be in pretty English with skin. So my point is we, we, as a species, as a, as a kind of a community have become so reliant on supplementation versus to, to, to offset the things that we could just do naturally and simply, uh, that would obviate the need for these things. So going back to gut health, so hydration, greens, sleep and exercise, those are the four things you can do, uh, that really anyone can do, right? Uh, out of the gate, uh, to radically increase the quality of, of, of your gut. And we already kind of mentioned why it's so important, but that's, those are the four things, practical things you can go do to make it better. And exercise is one of those things where everyone, again, rolls her eyes and groans. I'm sure just like your cleaning products, like I'm too busy. I can't do it. Like there's, that is just complete Nutter BS. I mean, not everyone can afford. It's still foundational or it's so foundational that Can't be the root cause of my issues that I'm not drinking enough water. I'm not sleeping. That's. What's so crazy is people that you're exactly right. It seems too easy. It seems too obvious. It's like, well, there's no, there's no way that clean, clear, stupid free water can be a solve of half my issues. So there's no way that sleeping eight hours of sleep, every single light could make me more alert, more powerful, better. Decision-maker happier. It just doesn't make any sense, which we can't accept. So you have to have it in Tropic. You have to have some kind of cool pill or some new diet. Where are you going to go? All Akido are going to go whole 30 minute. Those are all fine things. Right. But necessary. In most cases, that's, what's, that's the thing I want everyone to understand is like, this is not some, some kind of dark art, right? This is not some which doctoring stuff. This is just very simple. Conclusively studied highly efficacious science that anyone practice in their daily lives and just stop over thinking. That's just so simple. Once you just kind of get out of your own way. Yeah. You said something there about clear clean water. Which there's. Actually a big difference between the clear clean waters that we have access to. So I'd love to hear your point of view on that. Especially associated with gut health. Yeah. Well, first off, I mean, you should never drink water over a plastic bottle. I mean, I can't think of her knows that it's destroying the planet. We all know that obviously there are literally, I think, half a trillion bottles every year that ended up in landfills and oceans. I mean, it's an island, the size of Portugal sitting out there in the Atlantic right now. It's not quite that big, but it's huge, right? I'm just of just plastic floating out there. And the microplastics that are present in all these plastic water bottles are really damaging. In fact, there's a study. It was, I would say decently done, not perfectly done, but not too long ago. It's basically every week reading the equivalent of two credit cards with a plastic because of all the stuff we eat in our food and our waters. So, uh, plots a lot of models. The devil don't eat them. Don't drink out of them. They're just, unless you just, unless you're literally dying of thirst, like just avoid that. Secondly is you look at our, our meaning water supplies in many places where we live. I live in Seattle most of the time, which is good water, like for like a water supply, but I have a tester, my house, it's a parts per million tests or dissolved solids. I have this little tiny electronic gadget and I can put it in my water in Seattle. I get 27 PPM of dissolved solids, which is actually pretty high, not bad, but like below 50 is pretty good, but still it's way more than I want it to be. And so I have a filter. I have a water filter here in the house that, um, literally it's, it's, it's a zero PPM filter so I can dump it in there. It's just ridiculously large device, but it does take my water from the tap and create literally zero PPM water out at, at the side, which I can actually look at with this tool. I have. So focusing on the quality of the water you drink is indeed very important. I'm just curious, how much water do you drink and how many hours of sleep do you get? On average? Like I say, I drink about a gallon a day. I'd say of water. If I'm, if I'm, and it's not something that I'd like to even think about once you get into it, you just don't even, it just becomes you become thirsty. I drink when I'm thirsty and when you train your body to consume that kind of water and you're peeing every 45 minutes and you'll be able to much. Um, but, but your body's like it needs it. So I'd probably about a gallon a day and then sleep. I I'm generally, I'm going to say between seven and eight by my sweet spot, I'm usually like 10 30, 8 to five per 10:30 PM to 5:30 AM is like spikes Lois. That's like seven hours. And I'm really good. I'll do like 10 to five 30, but maybe I get eight in the weekends. Would you between seven and eight? Yeah. If I get less than seven, I wouldn't say I'm grumpy, but I've got some serious brain fog. I'm just not firing on all cylinders. No. You can't be lucky. Your body uses that time for so many functions, whether it's toxic detoxification, whether it's, uh, getting rid of, or organizing your short-term long-term memory, just allowing you to actually get into a deeper I'm asleep. I could just, there's no, like there's just no universe where that, that, that, uh, uh, lack of sleep does not have dramatically negative consequences in your body. Well, and it's really important for healing as well. And so when we're talking about gut and leaky gut and a poor, poor gut health, and you want to improve that proper sleep is so important to be able to do that. One thing that is just killing our gut health in America, especially is antibiotics, which we like to give out like candy. Um, so what are some things so what's information you can and the impacts that has on gut health, the hours for this. Yeah. And. And again, let's not forget. There are, there's absolutely a time and a place for antibiotics. They are, they are remarkable and they are necessary and they have to be used in some cases. But your point, we give them out for people who have colds or, or who have viral infections. And like, why are you taking this for a viral infection that has 0, 0, 0 impact. It's like taking an antibiotic for COVID, it's not going to happen. Nothing's going to happen. Uh, so when you take an antibiotic, it's kind of like a neutron bomb in, in, in, in nuclear theory where it, it just, it, it will definitely kill the bad bacteria, but it will destroy all bacteria that most antibiotics are fairly indiscriminate. There are two ones that are interesting, but even they will take out the good bacteria as well. The challenge is you take an antibiotic, it will indeed many cases take care of that, such the problem for you. But like I say, it will destroy your gut microbiome. It'll be destroyed. It's gone. It's almost a Virgin, it's a mess. And I've, I've seen folks, especially women who take antibiotics, who ended up with UTI or the types of infections in that, in that area that persist for months and years. And so you have to be really my, my wife, God bless her. She's, uh, you know, she's way crunchier than I am. I mean, she will be an abject pain before she has to be on the verge of losing her mind before touch an antibiotic. Cause she knows that, and she's had situations where she's taken them and it's been a real challenge to get back into shape, uh, as far as your microbiome was concerned and what that'll be impacts there. So look, my thing is if you have to take them, take them because they are, they're there for a reason, but be aware of what you're doing. Like you're gonna have, you're gonna spend months and months and months rebuilding that microbiome. And there are Ms. Studies actually show even six months post introduction of antibiotic. The microbiome is still far less diverse than it was pre the antibiotic introduction. So it's a, it's a challenge, like be judicious. Yeah. And it is tough. And I don't want to scare people out there listening to not take them. Because like you said, it isn't necessarily about, you know, five months ago I got a really bad infection and I was doing homeopathic mess methods and everything seemed to be fine. And it seemed to be going away and being treated. And all of a sudden I was on my couch and like the worst pain, I could feel something like in my kidney. And I was like, oh, this is not good. This is not. And my husband kept saying, I'll drive, you I'll drive you to urgent care. And I was like, no, they're just going to give me antibiotics. But at the end of the day, you know, the impacts of me not taking antibiotics with a kidney infection were much greater because that bacteria could have gotten in my bloodstream and then we're talking. Huge problems. Yeah. So. It's like, sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do, but when you do have to take antibiotics, what are your suggestions from bouncing back? And it is kind of a journey you have to be mindful for a while. Um, but what kind of steps would you tell your wife or me for after you've had taking antibiotics to bounce back? Well, not, not to be a plug, but, but we actually did this exact scenario, built a product at Jetson. It's called gut recovery. And it's designed to literally to do, to help with that to two week regimen. You actually take them as you're taking the antibiotic. So you take your Anton in the morning and you take gut recovery a few hours after you take the antibiotic, the antibiotic, and it is designed for these extreme three different types of strains that are designed to be antibiotic resistant, but also good colonizers of the gut. So that's one thing take, you can take drugs and get recovery people I know, uh, do take and have taken it and are blown away. Literally it's rebuilt their gut in a matter of a few weeks, which, um, is even better than I thought it would work after looking at the science. That's one thing, the second thing is going to be getting back to a standard gut hygiene. So it really is focusing on the things that will create, uh, a, uh, a favorable condition to help the good bacteria grow. Part of the problem is when you th th your, your gut has the usual suspects, it's got a bunch of bifida, a bunch of lacked, all those things that are in there that are the good guys and gals. Then you've got a bunch of stuff that just naturally exists, which is negative. Your Ecolab, Seminoles, all these things that are still Ecolab itself, isn't actually a negative bacteria, but it presents, uh, depending on how it's being nurtured. It can, it can be a very negative, obviously for many reasons. And so the challenge in many cases is that those, the bad guys and gals the ones that actually are more, are more colonizers. So the ones that can be actually more virulent a girl in the wrong word, but they can eat. They can be more aggressive as it relates to multiplying the doubling and tripling and exponentially growing. And so what you really are trying to do when you actually take an antibiotic is making sure that conditions in your gut are such that the ad, the bad folks, don't become so much more voluminous than, than the good folks. And so that's just kind of back to standard gut lots of fiber, lots of water, focusing on the things that don't disrupt and avoid any kind of artificial sweeteners. Those are, those were a death knell for proper gut health, avoid processed food, avoid the cured meats, civil. I mean, there's the stuff that we, again, what's, so what's so frustrating about this whole space is that in many cases, all things I'm saying are so utterly obvious, they sound so, so simple, and it's hard for folks to believe any this is going to cause it is just so, so simple, but that's the truth. Like it's, your body is really good. In most cases, if we just leave it the hell alone, that's the reality. Now there are conditions where things go wrong and the transcription errors occur on somebody to cancers and everything else. But realistically, if, if all things being equal, the body is remarkably tuned organism. That knows what it's doing. We just keep it up. Sorry. You keep messing it up. You do not have to censor yourself here. I totally agree. And, but why you even brought up cancer and, you know, there's so much science also to suggest that so many of these chronic conditions that we're experiencing today are rooted in gut health because gut health is a precursor to bodily inflammation and inflammation throws everything off. I often call it bacon bits in your blood, because if you, your gut lining is compromised, you are having that Shira. You're having that. Yup. That chewed food essentially fall into your bloodstream and create this, um, immune overactivity and these yeah. Allergic responses essentially. Um, but before we get into probiotics, which I want to dig deep into, because it is a very confusing space supplements can be very hard to navigate. I do have just two more questions about the guide because it's, you just know everything. Okay. No, that's absolutely not true. So. Um, one of my second to last questions about gut health, which I'm sure it's not even going to be my last question, but, um, what are some signs that you would say people can pay attention to that perhaps they are suffering from leaky gut or a compromised gut? Well, I mean, first off is, is, uh, uh, look for signs of chronic inflammation. So like figure out what that thing can be anywhere from your joint pain, all the way through, uh, bloating, all the ways through, uh, uh, there's a thing again, not to be so reductionist, but it affects everything. So literally depression, brain fog cognition, that's actually a sign of an AMA balanced gut health and into extent leaky gut. Uh, but again, chronic overall body pain, like here's the thing you should wake up in the morning and think, God, this hurts to get a bed. That's not normal. That's not normal that your body isn't designed to hurt when you wake up in the morning after eight hours of sleep. So those sorts of things are really important. Being, looking at your, at your stool, obviously like looking at kind of what comes out of you when you go number two, like, is it, if you look at the Bristol stool, Bristol scale, for example, there's go on and go and go online and search for this. But the Bristol B R I S T U L scale will show you kind of what your feces should look like. And it sounds weird, but, but go check it out, right. Because that's actually really important to kind of see how it, how it is a well-formed is it, is it not, is it hard, all sorts of things that your listeners can go in and check out, but that's, that's, that's an interesting one too, but then, then, and then if you're chronically getting sick and it, and your sickness lasts longer than a normal sickness, should, there's probably a sign that it's probably a sign that your body actually is, is fatigue. Like you have, um, you have, you, your body can actually become fatigued, chronically fighting these things, which is why we're getting a lot of these conditions. So, uh, those are all good symptoms of, wow, you should be, you should be looking at what you can do to actually improve the quality of your gut. For sure. Yeah. My last question was going to be about the gut connection with everything, everything. Um, because I think my friends and family are probably so sick of me, you know, they texted me and they say they're. Having terrible acne or their anxiety. Or whatever. And I'm always like, Hmm, we should talk about your gut health. And I'm like, yes, it is. It actually is. That's so true. We use, we built, we built a product this year called skin at a Jetson, um, which was designed for that. We, we, what we do at be we look at the most recent science that comes out. We look at what ailments are, plaguing the population, and we take kind of a systemic holistic approach at addressing these things. So one of the things we saw a lot of, especially recently, I have a daughter who's 16 and you know, she's a teenager. So her glands overactive and oil pops up when it shouldn't be there. And so there's part of, it's just puberty. That's the way it's gonna go. And she thankfully has, has not a lot of health challenges, but it was talking to her, talking to her friends and then looking at the science. And again, to your point, like eczema, psoriasis, adult onset, acne, all these things in, in many cases are caused by guess what and dysbiotic or out of balance gut. So we built a product called Jetson skin, which is designed to actually ameliorate those conditions. And actually not just, not just cover them up to your point, but has systemically alter the microbiome so where we can stop those things from occurring. And so I built it very excited about it, but, you know, until you can get into a broad distribution, you don't know if it's going to work. And, uh, one of the people in our team named Sarah, she doesn't mind me telling you a story cause she did an ad for us actually. But you know, she's had chronic psoriasis for years on her legs and her arms, and she was hated to go outside and shorts because it was just so, so bad. And I'm not bullshitting you because I asked her like four times, are you sure you did nothing else? But she started taking one of our early prototypes of skim, uh, gosh, Matt, a little bit, a few months ago. And within a few call it, I think it was like five weeks or so. It was all gone. All of it was gone and she's been putting steroids on our topicals, everything for, for literally she's like in her late twenties, maybe mid twenties, I guess for a year and within a few, almost a month, I guess. So your skin only Trent kind of turns over every single month. So it can't happen overnight obviously, but gone. I just saw her last week in Chicago and I said, Sarah, like, is it still Oregon to get I'm outside of her, outside of the sun psoriasis free eczema, eczema free. So to your point, like that's, that's, what's so exciting about probiotics right now in this space. And the gut health in general is that 25 years ago, there were nine studies done on the kind of connection of gut to overall larger disease states. Now this year there'll be 4,000. So the interest and the science and the academic research going on to understand the impact of gut health on these chronic conditions, which we assumed had nothing to do with the gut is astounding. So as you mentioned, depression and mental health, cognitive functions, skin, hair, uh, uh, immune response, um, uh, even, even just looking at things like allergic responses are seasonal rhinitis, or the pollen comes out, all these things have a direct and very tight connection to the particular bacterial composition of the microbiome. And that's what we have to get everyone to understand that. Yeah, there's a great book. I was trying to think of it while you were speaking. I can't think of the title right now, but it goes even deeper into this conversation and health and not only depression and anxiety and acne or eczema, but also schizophrenia or autism or ADHD, anything that has to do with cognitive health because the gut brain connection is so strong. So strong. It's actually called the so funny. It's called the Vegas nerve, right? Let's be AGS, uh, which everyone thinks I'm making up, but I'm not, that's actually what it's called. Uh, but that, that is a thing that actually it's the guts called the second brain for a reason. There's a reason like when you get nervous and your gut feels weird, that's even better. I'll take that. Don't have brains. Yeah. Worms don't have brains. They only have guts. And so. You know, I look at them, they've done so much for society. Well, hold on. But, uh, but, but, but there, there, there, there's a reason when you, when you get nervous in your brain, you feel it in your stomach or in your gut, like it's literally, there's this connection. And so the book that maybe you're thinking of, it's a great book, doc, Dr. Julie Anders wrote it's called God, which I encourage all of your people to read. And then Emron Meyer, uh, as well. Another guy, very, very good doctor. Who's written extensively on the gut-brain connection. Um, I at get. My wall cause it should be up there, but it's not up there. Yeah. Dr. Marie Meyer. Oh, interesting. Yeah, he, he wrote one called the mind gut connection, which is quite good. And then he has the gut immune connection. Then he has one called the functional pain syndrome as well, which anyway, he's, he's phenomenal. Uh, doc that's has been studying this for years and years and years and years and years. So highly recommend those books. Uh, I love the gut. It's just so complex. I just wish it was sexier. The problem is like everyone looks at the other organs just seems so much cooler. Like a heart seems cool. Or the brain isn't really well. I'm just saying people. That's how, I mean, the heart just seems magical. Right. And it is magical. And so it's the brain, but like in the gut, frankly, it's not just a thing. It's actually lots of parts of it. Right. And so even the gut calling it, the guts kind of a misnomer, because there's actually many, many parts of the system. But, um, no one's thinking that no one wants to think that intestines dozens. Aren't cool. I. Like to think of like the colony that's living in there. They're like my little deeds that are always with me and I need to feed them. So they're happy. I freak out. Like there, there are definitely. So I mean, I'm a clean eater on their own, but there are definitely times after a long week or a long month or whatever. Like I say, once a quarter, like I go on a bender and I'll do like, I'll do a solid, amazing cheeseburger. And I'm like, you know what, I'm going to regret this, but I'm going after it or I'll eat a piece of pizza. And I'm just, I do miss pizza a lot, I must say. Um, but, but my body I'm conscious of it. I'm saying, okay, no, And it's not the right thing to do. But also my talk to mark back in the day because said seven, if you're 90% good and 10% bad, that's great. And I'm like 98% good and 2% bad. So I think I'm doing okay. I usually tell people 80 20, I feel like that's a bit more accessible for the general public and I, once a week, he says my favorite thing. She can eat pizza once a week. I don't, I don't. I had some yesterday actually I had a, um, diet has a new pizza out and it's vegan dairy-free and gluten-free, and it was shockingly, it's a pepperoni pizza and shockingly not bad. Hmm. I'll have to look at that. I'm kind of curious about what fillers and preservatives they might have in there. Well, Dias, Dias, Dias, pretty clean, but uh, but anyway, there you go. It wasn't, I wouldn't recommend it like every day, but we just moved houses. And so the movers were all unpacking stuff and I couldn't run out and get lunch and I'm like, okay, all I have in the fridge is frozen pizza from dinosaur. There you go. I mean, such a big part of having a good relationship with restricting yourself. A hundred percent agree, a hundred percent agree because that's the fastest way to fail is if you're, if you're that, if you're that vigilant about it and you can actually develop eating disorders just based on that, you know, we're really careful. My daughter's special at exactly. We, my daughter has been in since she was a little kid and he watched, uh, fed up, which is a great documentary that Lori David did years ago about the sugar and the sugar industry and how dangerous it is. And I think Elena was probably me nine at the time. So, you know, fairly young. And so she watches with me where some Friday night, you know, ranger at the white house, uh, and we were watching this, this movie and to that day, she, she will still look at the back of anything, anything with the label on it, which thankfully we don't don't have much in the house, but she'll look at it and go, wow, that's got six grams of sugar and five minutes added. I'm touching that. I bought her, she loves coconut water. So I got her some coconut water and I didn't, I didn't look at the label very carefully. It was harmless harvest. You think it's great. It's not, it's like 26 grams of sugar, which, and there's no bound fiber. And so of course it just goes right through you. Boom. Pancreas goes crazy. Insulin starts going crazy. Right. And just to get that massive sugar high, I bring it home and I have it in the fridge and she's like, dad, what are you doing? I'm like, honey, I'm sorry. I wasn't looking at that. It was in a rush. I grabbed you some, it was pink. It was pretty. So anyway, my point is like, it's, it's, uh, it's very, it's just so important to look at that. A food scientist in training or nutritionist or something over there. I dunno. She's definitely going into medicine. That was her passion. She's, she's definitely medicine. Okay. Well, I, I have a lot of friends who have children and they struggle with finding that fine line between allowing your kids to be kids and eat crap from time to time and also be healthy. Any tips there before I swear we go into probiotics. I will just say part of it is education. And part of it honestly is, is showing them that not all food that is good for you tastes like crap. So that's part of like, there's things like the needles, like the needles are insanely good tortilla chip they're made out of black beans. Right. And you can even get nacho cheese, like a richer actually again, not actually cheese, but like they're objectively delicious chips. They're just, they're just delicious. And so our, our challenge for the years has been just to focus on finding, um, great products that both taste good and are whole and natural, uh, that she doesn't really miss crap. Like I don't, I, I would doubt I would doubt what she's ever eaten a Dorito. Not because I said you can't just because she's like, why food aid shouldn't be bright orange, unless it's an orange and being like, I can look, the ingredient was like blue dye in here. Like why it doesn't make any sense. And like in the Benito's are frankly just delicious, if not more delicious. And they're actually got fiber and vitamins, like better for you, the black beans, like, they're so good for you. So that's the thing it's like part of it's on parents, but like not everyone has the luxury of being able to afford these products either. So we have to be very careful. We don't get too, too, too down that rabbit hole. But if you have the means, uh, to buy better quality food that does taste good, your kids will do it. And if you don't then focus on buying whole food, not processed food. And, uh, again, it's within, it's all a very privileged space from which I speak. So I'm very cognizant of my privilege, but, but if you can, uh, and even if, even if you are less able to do so, buying just higher quality, whole food will always be the winner for, for kids. Yeah. Well, luckily I know of a podcast that features a lot of better for you brands. I think we're on it right now. Um, all right. So thank you for all of that. That was super, I feel like we just got a crash course in gut health, which is exactly what I wanted, but now it's time to do the same thing for probiotics. So what exactly is a probiotic? Let's. Start basic. Well, that's it we'll, we'll, we'll keep this, we'll keep this really, really, really simple. A probiotic simply is, uh, what just bacteria, your gut, right? It's a good bacteria in your gut as well. It comes out too. And so, um, they are microorganisms that, that synthesize and synthesize nutrients and food and, and, and to help your gut kind of actually do what I supposed to do. So that's that simple thing. They're living microorganisms that live in your gut naturally, and you can supplement them as well through things like probiotic supplements. So when you say synthesize nutrients, what is the output of that? Why is that so important? Well, it depends, you can create things like butyrates or sort other short chain, fatty acids, which have tremendous impacts on the overall, um, on And frankly, so it's, it's one of those things where, uh, the it's more interesting to look at the absence of this. Like what happens if we don't have a CFA's and all these things, and that's where you begin to create these chronic disease states, these chronic conditions, that again, can be really tamped down through, uh, effective use of, of, or effective composition of the microbiome, which is simply a fancy word for all the things that all the collection of, of microbiota that live inside of your other demand, bacteria that live inside of your gut. There's a lot of words that get thrown around about probiotics. And I think there's, you know, we often talk about prebiotics now postbiotics is becoming a thing. What's the most important thing for people to understand about pre post and probiotics? Yeah. So prebiotics are simply food where probiotics don't think of like a fiber as a great prebiotic when you sell one, a Judson called gut prep, which is a non fiber-based fiber, but it's not the traditional fiber based thing that it just helps. It's that's just the, that's just the food for the bacteria. That's kind of the first thing then postbiotics are, uh, kind of the, the, um, outputs, if you will, of what the, what the probiotics actually their process. So somebody will actually want to take postbiotics. But the reality is you, can you get those as a result of having pre plus pro recommended generators? Yeah. Yeah. That's. It simple math equation, one plus one equals two. What are some myths and misconceptions that you think people have about. Probiotics? Oh my gosh. Oh my God. I mean, how long do we have here? Uh, uh, okay. Some myths that you can get them all through Kabuto, or you can get them all through yogurt or Jamie Lee Curtis. We'll give them to you in Activia. Um, that's when we we've done certain customer surveys, not actually non we'd done general population surveys. And, uh, if you look at these surveys, like two, almost two thirds of the us population thinks that take a probiotic every day like that. You don't, I know you don't there's no, it would be a much bigger market if that were the case. So there's a misconception that people think I can get everything I need from a yogurt or from a kombucha or from a kimchi. All of which frankly are very good. Like kombucha can be very sugary. So Kim, she really has no downsides can cheese grade, um, yogurt full of dairy, obviously. And, and in many cases full of sugar, which is a huge gut destroyer as well. That's the first misconception I'm getting, I'm getting all that I need from these things. The reality is you're getting something for sure, but you don't know in a given cup of yogurt or in kimchi or kombucha or any kind of a fermented food like that, the, the kind of stranger getting the quantity of stranger, getting these are all important because let me tell you something. If you're looking at a probiotic on the shelf, for example, a lot of them will say they have lactobacillus acidophilus. That's a very common, you know, probiotic. Um, and that's great. And then it's like, great. I've gotten my lacto acid off of us, which is awesome. The problem is a strain that that's, that's, that's a species. It's not a strain. You have to be very specific because even within a species, there are many different strains in that species. And each species has a different impact on the body. So a lot lacto NCFL versus lacto, Elliot 14 are they're the same. They're both the cells as an office, but they're different strains may have the studies show dramatically different results on things like immune function between those two. So that's, that's a big misconception. I am getting a lot from my food and B I can buy at CVS for 10 bucks and I'm getting like that. I'm not getting lacto ASOS. So that's, that's good enough. That's just not true. It's just not the way it works. And my husband had to take an antibiotic and he came home with a $10 bottle of probiotics. And I was like, throw that away. I'm going to sprouts. Okay. It reminds me of, um, champagne, you know this, and this is the thing. So I was talking to a buddy of mine. Who's big into wine and champagne generally. And he basically said, you can't buy a real bottle of champagne for less than 25 bucks or something like that. You can buy sparkling wine, but you can't buy it because champagne has to come from one particular region of France, right? The champagne region of France. It doesn't come from there. It can't be called legally cup came called champagne. And the reality is those constrained land and constraints apply. And so like, you just can't get the juice in a bottle for less than 12 bucks. Every number is and margin the shipping, you can't buy 25 bucks. It's kind of same thing with probiotics. Like you can certainly go buy a, a jar pro B's for $10 at CVS. No question about it, but they're not really probiotics. I mean, they are, but they aren't gonna do. They're just garbage. They're probably dead, probably generic. They're probably some random strain. Uh, it's just not going to be efficacious. You might as well go eat talcum powder, you know, or go eat powder sugar. It's more fun. So how can an average consumer then no, you know, something I always say is don't just fall for 1 billion strains on the label, because then you flip it over and there's only two kinds of bacteria in there and you need a diverse microbiome. So what do average consumers do to see through this? Well, Hey, don't fall for the whole CFU trick to your point. Like the whole 1 billion CFU, 2 billion CFU we've gotten, we've gotten to the whole CFU wars and the, in this space. So you'll see ones that's 50 billion, a hundred billion CFOs. It doesn't, it doesn't matter. Like it it's, it's, it's about the types of strains that are in there. It's how those strings actually co-exist cause some strains are actually more aggressive than others. And so you may have two strains in a pill, it goes into your gut. And one of the strains is wiped out by the other strain, for example. So there's a bunch of work you have to do there as well. Um, so don't fall for that and see if you were as complete horseshit, it's a way for, for brands to put, you know, big numbers of their bottles. Cause people in this country, around the world think of big numbers as better. Uh, so look at to your point, look at, look at the back of the bottle. Look at the back of the package, look online, look at the number of strains that have in a particular formulation. So, uh, Culturelle has one strain, one strain, and it's 35 years old. I don't know about you, but I don't know why I still use it still in my life, which is 35 years old. And I'm still happy with my cell phone. Certainly isn't so that's, that's crazy to me. So look at the diversity of strains in the package and look at very important thing. Make sure every single string has a number after it or some designation. If you just see L dot Hasad off, let's tell you, see, don't just throw away. It doesn't matter. Zero impact. Make sure it's a named strain like NCSM or LA 14, or be a celeb under all these different times. There's kind of be a strain after that. So that's the second thing. Third thing is, make sure it's fresh. These are living organisms. Like they will die off over time. So if you're going to a store like a CVS and buying it off the shelf, you don't know how long it's been there. You don't know how long it was sitting in a warehouse. You don't know if it was a hundred degrees in the warehouse where in the summertime, all these things matter, it just matters. And so, uh, that's, uh, that's a big challenge of folks. Just forget that there is a, um, there's a shelf life on these things and it's real because they will die. So that's important. To me. So what about refrigeration? Because I know Jetsons probiotics, aren't refrigerated, but like you were saying, it does matter, um, where they're stored and the heat that they're exposed to. So kind of talk to me about that a little bit. It's. Always best to have been a fridge, but we actually have run extensive testing on our formulations and we've actually put them in a, we put them in an accelerated heat test. So it was, uh, it was, I think it was 14 days. It was 14 days and at 70% humidity in a hundred degrees, it's kind of see what happens. And luckily not luckily we designed this way, but luckily with my design work, uh, that, that they actually maintain over label claim. Um, even after that crazy. And we did that mostly to make sure that we could ship them appropriately and make sure it got to the houses appropriately. Uh, but that's that, but generally, generally keeping them below 75 degrees is a good, best practice. Fridge, not as required and especially ours at Jetson Elise, we make ours literally, maybe two to four, you get them. So there's just not a lot of time for them to go bad because we're making them in small batches or making real time or adapting science every quarter. So our pills on like anyone else's out there, they just, they can't be more than three months old because we switched formulations every three months. So we just, we just finished our, um, that's not true, actually. We, we are starting production on our fall line in about a month. Is that right? Where we got in August? Yeah. Yeah. So about a month, we'll actually start that production that takes a couple of weeks to build them and then we start shipping them out. So we, ours is can't be old because we make them real time. So it's fun. So then how do people know what strains they need do? I mean, that is just so complicated. So should they rely on finding quality products, like jetsam probiotics that are already creating, um, formulations specific to conditions? Like I know Jetsons has a skin formulation, which I want to talk a little bit about, but what are your suggestions for consumers knowing what actually. This is the problem. The science here, frankly, isn't good enough. Like there's no, there's no way at an average consumer, even a very sophisticated consumer can know what strings they need because there are probably a thousand different strains in your gut already. There's so many, right? So part of this, there's a bunch of over-hype in this industry. Even if you're taking a 20 strain product, for example, you're talking, that's a tiny fraction of what already exists in your belly, right? So that's the first thing. So all you can really do right now with the science that's available because we haven't done no one's done large scale clip, huge clinical trials on a particular bacteria. Nobody knows the precise beginning conditions of your gut as an individual. So there's, there's, I would love to able to say we can, we are sophisticated enough in the world to be able to look at your gut type, your guts, figure out what you're missing and augment that with a particular personalized probie we're not there yet. I'm not sure we'll get there in the next 10 years, even. It's just not going to happen. So the best you can do right now is what I think we've done at Jetson is say, look, we look at the, we have access and we look at what through our gut council was an amazing collection of researchers and myself and our product people as well. We read every single new study that comes out on, on, on, on all the various sites like pub med, for example. And we look at what our being clinically trial, what can, what, what strains are being clinically trialed for particular conditions. And we see a strain that's interesting to us that actually has a good end value, a good P value understanding of all of these things that look appropriate. We'll go to our, our suppliers and say, I need this strain and we'll put them, put that into our next formulation, if it makes sense given the time of year. So I think the best a consumer can do right now is a don't believe the personalized probiotics. It's just what is complete Nutter. There's no such thing as personal. If you can't make personalized probiotics that are literally some person on benches, making them by hand, you can't do it at scale. It's not possible. So if you see that it's a big red flag, it's worshiped, it doesn't work. It doesn't work. It's just, it's just, it's, it's great marketing. It's complete. Uh, anyone has a different differently as this line to, uh, the, um, so, so I think the best you can do is kind of, we do, which is basically we create new formulas every single quarter. We're like the fast fashion of pharma, only ones in the world that can do this. Look at the science, look at the, these sets of people. And then we build a product to make that, make that happen every quarter. It's crazy. Like we have to do new products every, every week we finish a product and we're onto the next one. We have to figure out what to do with it and make it and get strains from Italy and Japan and Korea and the U S and put them all together and cold storage. And it's, I don't know how we do this. Sometimes. That's crazy to me. That's a way to. Yeah, but I am so glad that you said that about, you know, the marketing of things being completely personalized to you based off of a seven question quiz. Well, forget the course that people will actually send you a gut health care right now. You'll, you'll take your poop, you know, culture incentive them. And it's I just did one recently again. So I was curious. It's interesting. That's fine. It's good. But then to say, we're going to build you a custom probiotic. Yeah. It just reaches so far beyond that at this point. Like I think when something becomes a trend, everyone tries to jump on the bandwagon. Right. So now there's personalized haircare. So just so you know, your scalp has a microbiome of its own. So by. Answering questions, yeah. You're. Not going to be able to get this like crazy personalized hair care, skin care, um, that is perfectly curated for your biome, wherever it is. Possible. Yeah. But even if here's the thing, even if you could get high resolution data on your scalp or a high resolution data on your, on your, on your gut, the science simply not science, the manufacturing capabilities simply don't exist at any kind of scale to then personalize a supplement or a probiotic or shampoo that would, that would find that fill the gaps. It just to make a single probiotic pill, you should see what we have to do. Like it is mind blowing. How could you can't, you can't have cross-contamination. You don't want to have, if you, if you're doing a multi pill run, you have to clean it's eight hours between runs just to clean the rooms to make sure we don't cross contaminate our various skews. So there's no universe we're at any kind of scale. Could you could, could you say, okay, Lauren, you need this lacto, this bifido, this strap, all the various strains and custom make that into a pill at the two, a 30 day supply you'll cost $20,000 per pill or per, per, per box. So it's, whenever you see that, I'm like, okay, all you're doing, you've got a set of products you've got. And when you said you're personalizing it, you're just basically taking products up that you have and assembling the kit and setting. Now there's just no such thing as a hand-built probiotic, unless you're spending 40 grand a month on it. Well, your operation sounds pretty fascinating. So yeah. I want to dig into some of those, um, specific formulations that you have, but before we get there, I'm just curious, what is the frequency people should be taking probiotics. Do they really need to be taking them every day for the rest of their life? Or is there certain stages in life that it's more important? And is there a wrong way to take probiotics? Uh, good question. So first thing, frequency. Yeah, pretty much daily. And you can skip a day or two here and there, but most probiotics aren't resident they're transient. They don't, most of them don't really have aggressively Calise. So you do need to be taking every single day or at least pretty regularly, um, other times during which you need additional certainly, um, certainly as you age, their microbiome becomes less diverse. So the older you get, the more you need the stuff, the younger you are, the less, uh, the less that's that's required, but still, unless you're very, very young and you're a child that, especially if you're born by a C-section, your microbiome actually is highly, um, less diverse. That's a bad phrase, but it is less diverse than if you were born by a vaginal canal. So that's important as well. Um, but yeah, generally it's one of those things you, you will take, uh, for the rest of your life, which is okay. So is there any wrong way to take it? Like, is there anything that no, that's okay. Is there anything? Yeah, the only generally, generally is a high, big generalization, or don't suffer from this problem a lot, but others, do you want to avoid taking it after you've eaten a bunch of food? Because what happens is your stomach actually secretes a bunch of acid to start breaking down the food and depending on the way to pills constructed and what kind of pill it is that can actually degrade the pill more quickly in the stomach, which then once the, once the bacteria or the stomach acid, they just die. You need the pill to make it down to the intestines and the gut area. And so if you eat, if you take a pill that isn't properly put together or has a poor, uh, poor pill coating around it, um, after you eat, that can be a problem. So generally I recommend taking it in the morning before you eat, uh, to let her have a chance to kind of get through into your gut before you start eating a lot of food, but that's, that's, that's the best way to do it. So there are a couple of products we've already talked about. A few of them got recovery, gut prep, but you also have a probiotic for skin that has something called solar plast in it, and I've never heard of this. So I was a little curious to learn more. I think we're the first one actually out there to habit it's, um, it's actually is fascinating. Um, spinach, organic spinach derived compound that has a superbly efficient antioxidants. That's a good thing about way, basically. It's just a thing that neutralizes free radicals in your body free radicals are things that get spun off from a variety of different, different, you know, whether it's too much sun exposure breeding or whatever might be. They're just basically, um, things you don't want flooding your body. And so solar plastic actually is one of the most highly efficacious, uh, free, radical neutralizers out there. It's an analysis that does that. So very, very cool has good clinicals around inflammation reduction, which of course can manifest in the skin quite, quite aggressively. And so that's a pretty cool one. I would highly recommend people to check it out. I think we're the first ones in the world to use it. Um, and it makes it, it makes the pills a cool green color too. So there you go. Try that. You also have seasonal probiotics. I saw which so should people be switching up their program mix by the seasons and how would that work? Because the seasons we have in Phoenix are different than the seasons that they have in New York. Yeah, absolutely. Right. That's why, so, yes, to answer your question, we do have seasonal probiotics, uh, and we rotate them every, every quarter based on the season, but you're right. People have told us that Florida and Phoenix, like I don't really want whatever immunity cause I live in I'm I'm outside all year round. I don't really get sick in the winter time. Doesn't apply to me. Those folks actually stick on. Maybe, maybe they stick on fit for half the year and then stick on skin for half the year. So we, we do rotate them through automatically. If you're a subscriber to Judson, you simply just get that season's product. But if you're, if you are a person who just loves mood or loves immunity or loves fit or loves skin, whatever it might be or loves outdoor, um, you can actually stick on that. We encourage you to rotate them. It's you don't need to do it every quarter. You can do six months at a time. I generally, you want to create the diversity of bacteria in your gut and to do that, you need rotation. Got it. This is so cool. I just love it. There's just so much to know about gut and bacteria. And I could probably ask you questions for three more hours, but before we get to the quick hit questions, because this is becoming such a popular thing and I hate it. I need to know what your opinion is on these gummies that are coming out, these probiotic, gummies college, and Comey's, there's a gummy for everything these days. Uh, companies, Hey, mostly full of mostly just sugary crap is the first thing. And there are a few that are good, but most of them are just sugary crap. Be gummies. You can't, you can only have a certain type of probiotic in there because again, probies are living things and to do a gummy requires a particular compound and heats and everything else. So you can't have live probies in there. They just die. So you're getting a very basic type of spore based probiotics, quite good, but not, you will know, you'll never get vast diversity and a dummy, just not possible. Um, college and gummies college in generally dumbest thing of her, my entire life, to be honest, like college is a protein that hits your gut. It gets it. He gets, it gets adjusted like any other protein you're not going to, there's no universe where the collagen in a pill somehow makes your skin better. Dumbest thing I've heard ever my entire life. Uh, so I don't know who, why we still take collagen idiotic, but they're able to make a of money on the deal. It doesn't make no sense. Again. This is like, guys, this is like, oh my gosh, but you know, a lot of money to made in selling. So, uh, yeah, generally I'd say avoid gummies. They're usually sugary. They aren't gonna be diverse probiotic wise college as much. And you can get higher density. You have to take like six gummies to get the equivalent density of one little pill. So it doesn't make any sense, like take the pill and stop and planning. There's. This video making the rounds of them like making the gummy and each layer is a different strain or different vitamin. And I'm like, this is such. Oh yeah, no, I know the one out of the UK. That's actually interesting. I bought some. That was interesting, but um, just unnecessary. Like just it doesn't, it's just unnecessary. It's just unnecessary, but there are some good ones like Lama naturals out there for kids. Um, they do a really nice job and their gummies are beautifully. All fruit-based really well done. They are they're I don't like candy. They're delicious. Two really good guys who, who built a company? Very good. But generally I would say avoid gummies. Well, uh, let's wrap this up by sharing with the listeners, how they can get in touch with you, how they can get in touch with Jetson probiotics and get their hands on some products. Pretty easy, like for jets and just go to, we are jetson.com or just your favorite search engine. And just look for Jetson probiotics either way. We'll get you there. There's always some, some decent promo codes hanging out there. If your listeners are value conscious, which I encourage you to be, to give it a shot. Uh, for me, you know, I am mostly, I mostly do my work through Jetson these days. So if you go on every Friday, a mail goes out, it's actually written by me. Still kind know why or how I still do this, but I do, uh, that contains like a round above the most recent links and studies and science of all done in a hopefully fun way to read. So you're not bored by reading endless studies, but, uh, so that's, that's something you can, you can find me on Twitter. I don't really do it much anymore. I just, life is too short these days for my, for my, for me, at least for, uh, for social media. So kind of off all that these days. I know it's such a struggle between trying to create a brand and get it out there and create this awareness and also living these more mindful lives and trying to put your phones down. I know I just found it like you entered like the slew of despond, the second you get on social media. So like, you know what I think I'm done. Cool. Well, I've got three. Quick questions for you before I let you go. All right. First one. What does it mean to you to have. A, oh my gosh. Uh, hold on. This is a quick hit. Oh my gosh. Uh, uh, you know, to me, a clean body is one that lives the way the body was designed to live, which means that like, you shouldn't have to put a bunch of inputs to counteract the effects of bad things you're doing to your body. So like, if you just kind of eat the way we're supposed eat as human beings and drink, we're supposed to drink and, and move how we're supposed to move and sleep, how we're supposed to sleep like that to me is that, that, that obviates the need to supplement yourself with much stuff. And that's, that's, that's musically in body. Yeah. Get back to the basics. Second one at a three. I know you already mentioned quite a few during, uh, this conversation, but what are some brands that you currently love and support? Yeah, I'm a big fan of, uh, like I said, Vegas is always super, super clean high-quality brand. Uh, uh, cut Chava, another one. I like a lot. It's a, it's a morning drink or whatever. It's like a shake, but that's delicious and really well put together and great super foods. If you're looking for like really great, quick and dirty hacks, I mean, one, this is bizarre, but sometimes when you're busy and you're at work and you can't even make a good salad the morning a brand called saffron road makes really nice quality frozen entrees, for example, but they're just really well done. There's not a single, there's not a single ingredient. You can't pronounce her name or recognize in these, in his frozen products, which is really unusual for a frozen product, but they're delicious. And they're Don GMO like the chicken. I had chicken pad tags again, removing, so there's no stove or anything. Uh, so chicken pad Thai cage-free antibiotic free chicken, and then literally a bunch of ingredients that you just recognize I can make as much my kitchen, you know, gosh, I know it's a good hack for a frozen. It's not common at all. Right. Very, very impressive. Those are fine. Those are three of them. Good hacks right now, but I'm a big fan of those. Are great ones. And last one, we didn't talk too much about stress, but trying to live a stress-free as much as you can, life is all a part of the interconnectedness of achieving health. So what are some habits you have to cultivate a more mindful stress-free life. Yeah. Martinez, no, uh, no. I mean, once in a while. No, I think first thing is stop reading the news and I know it's, I know it's crazy. Uh, but stop, listen to the news, stop engaging the news, you know, news designed for one reason to get you to engage and it's not true. The news is nobody prints good news. Nobody wants to see the paper tomorrow. Neighbors lost cat found. That's not what people are that they're not going to get clicks or views on that. So news, um, almost necessarily if the business model has to create things that are dramatic, there has to record things that are dramatic. And so you just find a, uh, I find this well-researched phenomenon, actually those who, who stopped engaging in the news on a regular basis, uh, are much happier than, uh, than those who, who are news junkies. Trust me, if something big happens, you're going to hear about it. I guarantee it right. You can't escape it. So that's one thing. Second thing is spend even just minutes a day outside. That's the biggest that would not be. So that's a big one. Again, a great study out of the university of can't over in the UK showed that just being outside, just being outside and exercising, not doing heavy cardio, not doing burpees, just being outside, uh, reduces stress by isn't. It was in the 30 ish percent range, just walking for 20 minutes a day. Just do that. You'll be shocked at, at what that does for your body. So it, my, my two stress tips watch, avoid the news. If you can, and get outside. I planned to get my 20 minutes after this recording. I'm going to take my, take my book into the backyard. I don't currently have furniture in my backyard, so I'll be leaving, uh, laying on my diving board. My neighbors probably think I'm strange, but that's all I've. Got and everybody else, because you know, there there's a massive shortage of outdoor furniture right now. Thanks to the COVID and the supply chain disruption. So we were selling our last house. We sold all the furniture, cause it wasn't going to go to the new place. And now my wife was like, we have nowhere to sit outside. I'm like, oh, I ordered some new stuff. She goes, I can't, it's all backward for months. Like, well, there you go. This is what we call a first world problem. Yep. Blankets on the grass. It's great. Good to be good. Be grounded in the ground anyway. It's good for your body to be on the car. Yeah. Well, thank you so much. This was seriously such a great conversation. I don't know if you saw my Instagram already, but I was geeking out over this awesome conversation. So I'm really excited to get this published and to support Jetson probiotics. And yeah. Thank you so much. Let us know, hit us on Instagram. Let us know how we're doing. I'd love to, I'd love to get feedback from our customers. So do so. Hi everyone. I hope you enjoyed that interview. As a reminder, this podcast is for educational purposes. Only. It is not a substitute for professional care from a doctor or otherwise qualified health professional. This podcast is provided on the understanding that medical or other health-related services. If you're looking for help in your journey, seek out we'll see you next time.